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September 24, 2006
Geragos to Defend Another (alleged) Baby Killer
After nearly a year since Holly Ashcraft was arrested in Los Angeles for the alleged murder and disposal of her newborn baby boy in October 2005, the State of California is conducting a preliminary hearing to determine if Ashcraft will stand trial. Ashcraft’s new counsel of record (as of April 2006) is none other than “high-profile defense attorney” Mark Geragos.
Geragos replaced Ashcraft’s original lawyer, Paul Wallin, who successfully represented the third year USC student in a similar case in 2004 when Ashcraft was suspected (but never arrested or charged) of delivering and disposing of another newborn baby. Thus, we have hit the trifecta of murder cases here: a “Xerox” murder – where an accused gets away with an alleged murder and repeats the modus operandi; the murder of a child by a parent who is described as “very bright, athletic and very upbeat” and “one hell of a good kid” by her family; and our favorite lawyer using his all-too-familiar tactics to exonerate his client.
Ashcraft was arrested after an anonymous tipster called 911 to report finding the newborn in an alley behind a bar popular with USC students. When officers arrived, they found the child's body lying in a cardboard box next to a trash bin. The boy's umbilical cord was still attached, suggesting a medically unattended birth.
Apparently, Ashcraft was so audacious (or careless) she hid the body in an area right behind her second floor apartment.
Back in 2004, she sought medical treatment at an emergency room and doctors determined that she had just given birth. Ashcraft claimed the baby was stillborn and that she “buried it,” but never revealed the location of the baby’s grave. Law enforcement did not pursue charges at the time, but when a second dead infant was linked to Ashcraft within a year, she was not so lucky. Her bail was set at an astonishing $2 million because prosecutors considered her a flight risk. Bail was eventually reduced to $200K so she could post bond and delay the proceedings for as long as possible; which, of course, is Mark Geragos’s indisputable area of expertise.
According to a recent article HERE, DNA of the baby tested in the 99.93 percentile matching Ashcraft’s, and that his death was determined to be a homicide by the results of an autopsy. Geragos’s strategy seems to be to invalidate that his client was pregnant at all:
Mark Geragos, who is representing Ashcraft, ticked off a list of friends and relatives close to Ashcraft, who told investigators they never suspected Ashcraft was pregnant.
When this nonsense fails, expect Geragos to argue that the cause of death is in dispute, there was a conspiracy driven by conservative, right-wing religious fanatics to punish his client (wasn’t there a John Grisham book with this plot?), and that poor Holly is another unfortunate victim of police tunnel vision and politics. I wonder if he’ll turn this into a pro-choice debate to attract the media? This case hasn’t received much attention, but Geragos’s presence is most certainly a harbinger of disaster.
Comments
Loretta, I'm still reading your entry.
I do have to say, whenever I hear Geragos has a new client, my first thought is; "Guilty".
I mean really, his reputation speaks for itself. Loudly.
Posted by: Mama Tamale | September 24, 2006 02:54 PM
I don't want to turn this into a pro-choice/pro-life debate either but my first thought is what a "throw away" society we have become. Inconvenience? Get rid of it. Don't want it any more? Throw it away. We have disposable everything and now it's come down to disposable children. I'm glad MG is representing her because that means she's sure to stay in jail.
Posted by: NachoMama | September 24, 2006 02:59 PM
If the pants still fit,
you must acquit!
Posted by: CountryGal | September 24, 2006 03:00 PM
A girl in that predicament has many, many options.
She could have arranged for a private adoption (and could have found parents in a heartbeat) and had the medical care taken care of and given that baby boy to a loving family.
She could have aborted early on. She was at USC and could have gotten counseling in any number of places.
She could have brought the baby to the hospital or a fire station (one was about 45 seconds from her apartment) and given it safe harbor with no questions asked.
And, I'm not even going to go into the birth control options or abstinence options she had after the first "stillborn" a year previously. She reminds me of a modern Jackie Peterson with less regard for human life.
Posted by: mother of gawd | September 24, 2006 03:04 PM
As most know, California has a Safe Haven law whereby any newborn can be taken within 72 hours to any hospital.
Personally, I think it should be extended beyond the 72 hours, and many states have extended it to 30 days.
Posted by: CountryGal | September 24, 2006 03:12 PM
Original prosecutor resigned (The Daily Trojan reports):
Taking over the case is Deputy District Attorney Franco A. Baratta, who Aceves said was "one of our top attorneys" in the Family Violence Division of the District Attorney's Office.
Baratta was unavailable for comment Thursday afternoon.
Defense attorney Mark Geragos said Baratta is "the cream of the crop at that office.
"I have an enormous amount of respect for Franco," Geragos said.
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Prelim was Friday.
Posted by: CountryGal | September 24, 2006 03:25 PM
mother of gawd, your post above says it all. The options avalible are immense.
There is NO excuse to throw a child out like that and leave it for dead.
I agree with CountryGal that the 72 hour window needs to be extended.
This girl needs to go to prison. She's a serial killer.
Posted by: Mama Tamale | September 24, 2006 03:34 PM
Thanks, CG. Here's the print-friendly version of the latest story:
Presumably Ashcraft will be held over for trial.
Posted by: mother of gawd | September 24, 2006 03:36 PM
She should never have been allowed to get away with it the first time. What a shame.
Posted by: Valarie | September 24, 2006 03:39 PM
The deceased child in the Holly Ashcraft murder case still has not been buried, said Craig Harvey, a spokesman for the coroner's office.
Ashcraft, a third-year USC student, is charged with murder and child abuse after the body of an infant was found next to a dumpster behind the 29th Street Café.
Ashcraft's mother, Marlene Zentz, claimed the child, in lieu of a next-of-kin, Dec. 9 to arrange for burial, but on May 8, after being refrigerated for five months at Hillside Mortuary, the child was returned to the coroner's office, Harvey said.
"A body that's deemed abandoned is the responsibility of the coroner to make ultimate disposition," Harvey said.
Posted by: CountryGal | September 24, 2006 04:11 PM
That was written in May.
The unclaimed child will likely be delivered to Garden of Angels to be buried, Aceves said.
Posted by: CountryGal | September 24, 2006 04:12 PM
That East St. Louis mother/fetus murder has now turned into mass murder:
My first guess is that the unborn child was that of a love interest of Hall, the murderer's.
Posted by: mother of gawd | September 24, 2006 04:27 PM
How could that girl's mother leave the baby unclaimed at the Mortuary for 5 months?
That's inexcusible.
Posted by: Mama Tamale | September 24, 2006 04:30 PM
A little more background on the above case - seems the girls were best friends:
With friends like that ...dotz.
Posted by: mother of gawd | September 24, 2006 04:36 PM
Sorry, bad link:
Posted by: mother of gawd | September 24, 2006 04:36 PM
There has to be a special place in HELL for people like Hall.
It makes me sick to think her "rights" will be protected while she awaits a trial. What a piece of scum.
Those babies didn't stand a chance.
Posted by: Mama Tamale | September 24, 2006 04:36 PM
Able Danger makes mainstream news:
Here's the deal - it's much bigger than you think. MUCH. Keep this revelation in mind.
Posted by: mother of gawd | September 24, 2006 05:00 PM
I was so praying those children would be found alive somewhere. I do not understand this. She is sub-human, IMO!
Posted by: CountryGal | September 24, 2006 06:41 PM
Both these cases make me absolutely sick to my stomach! There is no excuse for bearing a child and then killing it, and the case of the two girls with their pathetic teen pregnancies...that is so sickening as to drive a person to drink!
When I think about all the people I know who would give anything they had to have a baby, and would have cherished any or all of those poor babies, I say throw the book at both killers.
Posted by: mamaskitchen | September 24, 2006 07:05 PM
Hall confessed to drowning the 3 kids:
EAST ST. LOUIS, Ill. - A woman accused of killing a pregnant woman and her fetus told police she drowned the woman’s three young children and stuffed them into a washer and dryer at their apartment, an official said Sunday.
Preliminary autopsies on the dead children Sunday appear to show they were drowned, Ace Hart, a deputy St. Clair County coroner, told The Associated Press.
You have to wonder WHY??
Posted by: mother of gawd | September 24, 2006 07:29 PM
I can't even verbalize what I think should be done with her.
Posted by: Mama Tamale | September 24, 2006 07:38 PM
This movie should scare the bejeebus out of you:
Wow. Just where I want my kids to go to camp. hallelujia let's teach some more hate!
Posted by: holy mother of gawd | September 24, 2006 07:57 PM
I have a question.
The 72 hour number has been bantered about, with "some States" extending the numbers to 30 days.
WHY is there a Number AT all? Apparently the women and men that resort to killing their children feel that they have no other option.
Just curious if there is a reason for a time limit on the little ones life and their parents' decision.
Maybe I missed something????
Posted by: mommylove | September 24, 2006 07:59 PM
mommylove I agree 100%!
Posted by: CountryGal | September 24, 2006 08:31 PM
Just trying to catch up here.
I agree Mama Tamale, there is a special place in hell for her.
Excellent entry by the way. I'm lost for words, you said it all.
Posted by: MyMamaDoneToldMe | September 24, 2006 08:57 PM
About the "Jesus Camp" film: read "Kingdom Coming" by Michelle Goldberg.
Here's the URL of a tiny review I wrote of it back in June.
http://ronnisrants.blogspot.com/2006/06/kingdom-coming-by-michelle-goldberg.html#links
It should scare the youknow out of you!
Posted by: mamaskitchen | September 24, 2006 09:42 PM
If you need a little comic relief (and who doesn't?) watch these podcasts of cartoons:
Posted by: holy mother of gawd | September 25, 2006 10:05 AM
Just caught up. These stories are so unbelievably sad.
Posted by: Mother May I | September 25, 2006 10:43 AM
Good morning, girls. You are absolutely right, Mkitchen. I find fanatacism in ANY form alarming, but most especially the religion form. Recent bumper sticker sighting:
I like your Christ
I hate your Christians
They are so unlike your Christ.
My feelings in a nutshell.
Posted by: MamaGucci | September 25, 2006 11:54 AM
I agree with you 100%, MamaGucci. Religious fanaticism is terrifying.
Posted by: Mama Tamale | September 25, 2006 02:06 PM
There are too many stories about babies being left in dumpsters and teenagers or young adults disposing of these babies, and these are about middle-class girls from good families who should know better. It's unfathomable.
Posted by: mom o' war | September 25, 2006 06:35 PM
I think that whoever said it was a product of our disposable culture was headed in the right direction. We throw away our and our children's friendships by moving at the drop of a hat, we throw away our marriages without the soul-searching our parents went through, we are willing to sacrifice all our relationships for a transfer or a promotion. Nothing is precious, except "getting ahead."
Posted by: mamaskitchen | September 25, 2006 06:49 PM
Geragos's's's motion to dismiss the case was DEnied in the Ashcraft case. What a surprise.
Ashcraft will be remanded to trial after a 2-day hearing. That was quick.
Posted by: holy mother of gawd | September 25, 2006 09:36 PM
Here's the link!
Posted by: holy mother of gawd | September 25, 2006 09:36 PM
What kind of person leaves a baby, born alive and allowed to die, in a box of trash?
This woman, if guilty,does not qualify as a human.
Posted by: mamaskitchen | September 25, 2006 11:41 PM
A woman who has something else on her mind. Someone who is so practiced at illusion that she can pass this off not once, but twice.
A serial killer.
Posted by: Mother Earth | September 26, 2006 02:30 AM
A serial killer.
My sentiments exactly.
Posted by: Mama Tamale | September 26, 2006 03:11 AM
Good morning all!
Don't tell me Geragross is doing this Pro Bono!? Does anyone know whether this family has *money*?
Posted by: Mgt | September 26, 2006 06:32 AM
This is so cold-blooded, the Mother should be hurled into a pit of hungry Lions. Even that is too good for her.
As for the piece of trash who drowned those kids; pity Ed Gein isn't around to get his hands on her.
Posted by: Mgt | September 26, 2006 06:51 AM
We raise kids with no consequences. We allow them to lie to us. We let them off the hook. I can see how she thought she could get away with this.
Posted by: mamaskitchen | September 26, 2006 07:46 AM
As CG pointed out: the baby was born alive (and that's not going to be hard to prove, despite GerEgos's's posturing), Ashcraft was advised about the Safe Haven option and that disposing of an infant was illegal, and she knew where it was.
Slam dunk.
Posted by: black beemer | September 26, 2006 08:58 AM
Just checking in...
Posted by: Peugot | September 26, 2006 09:03 AM
Geragos continually reveals his ignorance, real or pretended, of forensics and technology.
Posted by: MiataMama | September 26, 2006 09:04 AM
He doesn't care if his actions and theories are ridiculous. He just wants the moola.
He must know the writing is on the wall! JMHO
Posted by: Peugot | September 26, 2006 09:09 AM
I would hate to be as cynical as he must be.
Posted by: MiataMama | September 26, 2006 09:12 AM
He doesn't care if his actions and theories are ridiculous. He just wants the moola.
That and the notoriety (or should I say infamy?) He lives to see his name in the limelight.
I don't understand why anyone would hirer him as council. Lots of high powered, sharp attorneys out there who would do a much better job for half Egos asking price.
Posted by: Little Red Corvette | September 26, 2006 09:15 AM
Someone was asking about Ashcraft's financial status. She was at USC on a scholarship, supposedly. Her parents (divorced) are in Montana, and her dad hadn't even spoken to her in over 3 years, so that's a bad sign.
It's possible GerEgo is doing this one pro bono, but I seriously doubt it. I would venture to guess the family has pooled its resources. She had an attorney already who was not free. It's possible since she's a student (and 21) she would qualify for a public defender.
Obviously, her family wants her to "walk." Otherwise, they would not be underwriting this defense.
Posted by: black beemer | September 26, 2006 09:17 AM
I bet she has played off one parent against the other since forever. Dad must have got wise to it and bailed.
If she bore these babies alone, that speaks loud and clear to her intent. Those who advocate home birth realize that attendants of some sort are a requirement--midwives, etc. If your intent is to have a healthy baby, you make sure all the safeguards are in place.
Posted by: MiataMama | September 26, 2006 09:32 AM
Just like a moth to the flame, Little Red Corvette.
Let's hope he gets burned.
Posted by: Peugot | September 26, 2006 09:36 AM
"I don't think there's any evidence the baby was born alive," Geragos said
~~~~~~~~~
Personally, I'm not sure there's any evidence that Geragos was born alive.
Posted by: Jaguar | September 26, 2006 09:54 AM
Ironic, eh? He was desperately trying to prove that Conner Peterson was "born alive" and then planted in the Bay.
I wonder if he'll have Dr. March as a witness again.
Posted by: black beemer | September 26, 2006 09:58 AM
That cracked me up, Jaguar.
BTW, I almost chose your name, for obvious reasons.
Posted by: Peugot | September 26, 2006 10:12 AM
Hello!
Jaguar, so true.
Posted by: Maserati | September 26, 2006 10:15 AM
The flim-flam man in the Armani suit and Raybans, hey, Loretta!
Posted by: Peugot | September 26, 2006 10:16 AM
Heh, he certaily looks like a cadaver!
Posted by: Peugot | September 26, 2006 10:21 AM
Ciao, everybody!
Posted by: Peugot | September 26, 2006 11:55 AM
Have a good one, Peugot!
Posted by: Maserati | September 26, 2006 12:09 PM
Geragos is the kiss of death.
Why on earth does anyone hire him?
Posted by: '67 Chevelle | September 26, 2006 02:17 PM
(Being the high maintenance person that I am, what else would you expect?)
Posted by: M-B SL600 | September 26, 2006 02:30 PM
Funny this was mentioned, I was thinking about who was funding the defense this morning.
I have another question. When an expensive defense attorney continously loses all these high profile cases, does his fee go up or down?
Posted by: Mustang Sally | September 26, 2006 03:37 PM
You'd think his fee would be reduced considerably, given his success rate lately.
I wouldn't hire him to do my taxes, let alone defend me in a court case.
Posted by: '67 Chevelle | September 26, 2006 04:06 PM
I wouldn't hire him to cut my lawn.
You have to admit though, he's good for a laugh.
Posted by: Maserati | September 26, 2006 04:09 PM
Oh yes, for comic relief, the possibilities are endless!
It would be a hoot to watch him mow lawns in his Armani suit, though!
Posted by: '67 Chevelle | September 26, 2006 04:12 PM
He sits down to take a crap just like the rest of us (lovely image, eh?).
Posted by: MuranoGuano | September 26, 2006 04:24 PM
Well you just flushed THIS conversation right down the toilet! (yuck, yuck, yuck)
Posted by: M-B SL600 | September 26, 2006 04:53 PM
Hehehe, perspective, me dear. It's a great remedy for "shock and awe". Read= the guy's just a garden-variety schmuck with an education and lots of window dressing.
Posted by: MuranoGuano | September 26, 2006 05:05 PM
LHAT, MuranoGuano!
Posted by: Maserati | September 26, 2006 05:10 PM
Well, he does put out a considerable amount of bull.
I wonder if Armani makes hip waders?
Posted by: '67 Chevelle | September 26, 2006 05:23 PM
Now there's an image: Armani suit, hip waders, Ray Bans, pushing a lawn mower.
Posted by: M-B SL600 | September 26, 2006 05:28 PM
LHAT! Do you think he'll do windows?
Posted by: Jaguar | September 26, 2006 06:20 PM
I think he will do windows if they are obviously very dirty. Once he is done, he will try to convince you that the windows are perfectly clean even though you can't see through them.
Posted by: M-B SL600 | September 26, 2006 06:22 PM
Yep, he'll probably even try the power washer on them.
Posted by: Maserati | September 26, 2006 06:50 PM
So the question, "What's that scum all over the windows?" will be redundant.
Posted by: '67 Chevelle | September 26, 2006 08:17 PM
I actually think he'd spend more time trying to get the whole window washing need dismissed. He'd claim that he'd not seen evidence that the windows are even there since they are transparent.
Posted by: Jaguar | September 26, 2006 08:51 PM
If he ran into it like one of those crows in the windex commercial, he'd know what's what!
Posted by: MiataMama | September 26, 2006 09:09 PM
Olbermann lambastes Bush and his propaganda proxies:
Yeah, baby.
Posted by: black beemer | September 26, 2006 09:56 PM
Rice's office responsible for EPA fraud after 9/11:
Gee, I wonder if she would have been willing to shop for shoes in Manhattan that week?
Posted by: black beemer | September 26, 2006 10:25 PM
That's some strong stuff from Olbermann! I like him. The voice of reason.
Posted by: MiataMama | September 26, 2006 11:01 PM
More detailed article on Holly Ashcraft's preliminary hearing:
Posted by: black beemer | September 26, 2006 11:56 PM
That Olbermann is my hero.
There is no surprise about the EPA and Rice, is there?
Ashcraft is one sick cookie. Slam dunk is right.
Posted by: 57' T-bird | September 27, 2006 12:39 AM
Morning all!
Black Beemer, thanks for the links. I'm off to read them.
MuranoGuano, you certainly made it hard to get my coffee down this morning. LHAT!
Visions of that face all red and straining, has got me in fits. Apologies all!
Are you by any chance the free-est of spirits?
Posted by: Peugot | September 27, 2006 03:52 AM
That I am, sweety, how'd you guess? Hope all's swell in your beautiful corner of the world this a.m.
Posted by: MuranoGuano | September 27, 2006 08:44 AM
It is really dull and dark here today MG. Not too cold but I like it when the mornings are brighter.
I like putting my face on in daylight. Avoiding my 'clown' look. LOL
Posted by: Peugot | September 27, 2006 08:57 AM
I used to get soooo many miles out of said clown-look when I was in school. I'm afraid I was a bit merciless with the unfortunate ones who made themselves up that way. Shame on me, I was a snooty b!tch back then.
Posted by: MuranoGuano | September 27, 2006 09:03 AM
I remember those coloured eyeshadows. LOL
Heaven forbid, they are back in the Stores with a vengeance!
Posted by: Peugot | September 27, 2006 09:12 AM
Not guilty of wearing it, btw. Ever!
Posted by: Peugot | September 27, 2006 09:14 AM
I was rather partial to blue, back in the day.
The one I can never understand is the red.
Posted by: MiataMama | September 27, 2006 09:15 AM
Yes, and the black lipstick!
Posted by: Peugot | September 27, 2006 09:19 AM
Good morning!
More detailed article on Ashcraft in the LA Times:
Posted by: black beemer | September 27, 2006 10:23 AM
That PT Barnum comparison was a classic
Posted by: Peugot | September 27, 2006 11:03 AM
Have a good day, everyone!
Ciao
Posted by: Peugot | September 27, 2006 11:55 AM
Good afternoon!
Interesting article up there on Condi Rice and the air quality report after 9/11.
Early tests known to the EPA at the time had already found high asbestos levels, the notes say. But those results were omitted from the press releases because of "competing priorities" such as national security and "opening Wall Street," according to a report by the EPA's inspector general.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Didn't I just see a story on how she works out while listening to Led Zeppelin?
Was that supposed to make me think she's an OK kinda gal? Hmm. Not after hearing about all the other stuff.
Posted by: '67 Chevelle | September 27, 2006 02:44 PM
NY Post ridicules Olbermann's reaction when Olbermann received a piece of mail with white powder and a threat:
The Post is owned by Murdock, of course. How muttish of them.
Posted by: black beemer | September 27, 2006 03:50 PM
Speaking of eye shadow, anyone remember the tube ones that stacked into each other--all different colors?
Posted by: OldBenz | September 27, 2006 07:33 PM
Is Ole Steph the one who spews hate from her Allstate work IP?
Posted by: Mustang Sally | September 27, 2006 08:17 PM
It's okay for Steph to surf hate blogs from Allstate, and indeed, be a LARGE (heh) presence on them, but it's not okay for anyone else, ever, at any time, to surf the internet at work.
Am I getting this right?
Posted by: Mustang Sally | September 27, 2006 08:20 PM
She probably has to work a lot of hours to cover all those garnishments.
And she lives in a glass apartment. A lot of money owed to a lot of people, her credit is in the crapper, and she has the noive to bash anyone for their lifestyles?! LHAT
Posted by: black beemer | September 27, 2006 08:27 PM
I wonder if she is one who participated in bashing me and my family and many others here? Yet she's indignant? WHY? Why is okay for her to do it? What makes her so special?
Did she get a gold plaque from Ms. Manners giving her to be permission to be rude with no reprecussions?
Posted by: Mustang Sally | September 27, 2006 08:36 PM
New blob for fattyMaddy?
Posted by: lexus nexus | September 27, 2006 08:46 PM
Whoa! The pot gets blacker.
Posted by: Gremlin | September 27, 2006 08:50 PM
Ohhh maybe WE could write to her boss, just like they did to the author's.
It was okay for them to do it, so it must be totally acceptable behavior, RIGHT?
I'm sure Allstate would be so thrilled to know she is using her time so productively.
We know, with all that bad credit and those debts and garnishments, she doesn't have internet at home.
Posted by: Mustang Sally | September 27, 2006 08:51 PM
That explains one person and why they do what they do. It's sort of a weird way to live vicariously through another person by accusing them of all the problems in her own life but I guess it gives some reason to her madness. Now to figure out why the others spend all their free time participating in a "hate fest".
Posted by: M-B SL600 | September 27, 2006 08:52 PM
Back in the day, they would have joined up with the KKK or the Black Panters or SDS, depending on where their sympathies lie.
Just to be part of a group to vent their own anger and rage at themselves.
Posted by: Mustang Sally | September 27, 2006 09:07 PM
Only the guilty hire GerEgos – he’s their last hope (such as it is)
Posted by: 56 Morgan | September 27, 2006 09:11 PM
Is she that Madison WI TDS Telecom ISP visitor I get every once in a while? During business hours?
Posted by: MiataMama | September 27, 2006 09:14 PM
Yup.
Posted by: Mustang Sally | September 27, 2006 09:29 PM
Let me get this straight. My insurance premiums are financing some lard butt's ability to post on hate sites during working hours? I'll have to bring that up with my agent.
Posted by: Stanley Steamer | September 27, 2006 09:33 PM
Yeah, well...if you aren't subsidising it through insurance, you'll be doing it through taxes!
Posted by: MiataMama | September 27, 2006 09:38 PM
I am loathe to contribute to it at all. I find the whole "hate blog" concept pathetic and can hardly believe that adults stoop to that level of behavior. It's mental midgetry at its most neurotic.
Posted by: Stanley Steamer | September 27, 2006 09:59 PM
There was a blog devoted to bashing Dooce, at one point. However, when a commenter tried to post Dooce's personal info, the blog owner shut it down.
I've heard that there's one bashing Steve Huff, as well.
There's a lot of hate out there to go around.
Posted by: MiataMama | September 27, 2006 10:21 PM
i really like those honey combs and will catch up later, lard asp is tard and gorn two baid.
Posted by: moi | September 27, 2006 10:29 PM
I do not understand why MadMutt and the rest of them continue to foam at the mouth! Ahhhh! Could it be they are rabid? Perhaps a mass innoculation for all of them is in order so they will finally tend to their own real lives and stop neglecting their jobs, mates and children - ya think?
No one here has all that hate spewing day after day so it is hard to imagine what drives them.
Posted by: MotherTrucker | September 27, 2006 10:30 PM
Oops, I thought you were channeling Ghandi. I had a bad experience with miatas of the furst husbond.
Posted by: miatmahgorndee | September 27, 2006 10:31 PM
pee ess to Loretta in person, wot the hail cud they have sed about moire-meme? I never go there and don't even know the way there. Wow! does this mean that I am a celebrity like ya'll? I am mightily impressed. moi as miatmah
Posted by: miatmahgorndee | September 27, 2006 10:40 PM
You're gonna show up in People next week, Moi!
Or at least Perez Hilton dot com.
They need real lives. They are jealous that we have real lives.
Real jobs.
Children we take care of and parent.
Freinds, both online and off.
And spouses. I happen to like my spouse and we have a happy marriage. We work on it.
If I spent a lot of time spewing hate all over the WWW, how could that be?
If you're online spewing hate 24/7, when do you find time for sex?
Maybe it's because the hateful people's spouses would do anything possible to avoid them in the bedroom?
Ya think?
Posted by: Mustang Sally | September 27, 2006 10:46 PM
They take pot shots at all of us, Miatma. It's all bash all the time.
Snooze fest.
Every now and then it's important to note the hypocrisy (or "muttpocrisy" - which is a new form of hypocrisy at the level of Bushpocrisy and that of the Christian right.)
Yes, there are lots of hate-mongers out there; idiots, losers, hypocrites and liars to a one.
Posted by: lexus nexus | September 27, 2006 10:46 PM
And you know, if you christen your mate with the nicknae Sofa King Hot or whatever, isn't that a self profilling prophecy?
You are HOPING he is Sofa King Hot?
Maybe because you are NOT?
Posted by: Mustang Sally | September 27, 2006 10:48 PM
If MaddMutt couldn't afford a lawyer for the 4 different civil cases she lost totalling over $15,000.00 (and growing with interest as the clock is ticking), how can she afford one to sue the Misfits? LHAT Get real!!
Posted by: porche | September 27, 2006 10:53 PM
"Her lawyer".
Like she pays him a retainer to keep him on staff, just like her pool boy and the housekeeper.
Pulease.
Posted by: Mustang Sally | September 27, 2006 10:58 PM
Lawyers, as well, can be an unscrupulous bunch. She'd have no problem finding one to take her money. One with a lick of sense might tell her that she should be grounded from the internet.
Posted by: Stanley Steamer | September 27, 2006 11:08 PM
GerEgos has yet another new client:
http://www.nypost.com/gossip/cindy/cindy.htm
Posted by: Bank Vault | September 27, 2006 11:13 PM
She wants to sue us? Why?
We linked her picture that she put out to be found?
We linked some public information documents?
Come on, it's not as if we had posted her SSN, DL#, children's names, medical info and maps to their schools, her landlord's name and address (or is she a mutt who is responsible for her own roof repair?).
Did we sign her up for endless weight-loss spam? No.
Did we sign her up for singles goups? No.
Did we send her all sorts of debt-relief info? No again.
So, why does she want to sue us? Because one of us found her homepage? Blog?
She is all over ours. Did we copy some stuff? She or others she supports at the hate blog have stolen and defaced our pictures, stolen our entries, published private comments and entries, and just basically done her and their best to ruin all of us, one way or another.
So why does she want to sue us?
Posted by: MiataMama | September 27, 2006 11:13 PM
The link may not work tomorrow, so here's what Cindy Adams wrote:
MARK Geragos. You know the name. Hotshot West Coast lawyer. Did the dirty for Scott Peterson. Repped Michael Jackson on child molestation charges. Been the mouthpiece for Winona Ryder on Operation Shoplift. Took headlines this year for representing Barry Bonds' personal trainer Greg Anderson.
Geragos came to attention in the Clinton White House years. As First Brother Roger's lawyer in alcohol-related troubles and as counsel for the president's former business partner Susan McDougal, who spent some time in the can.
Now, it turns out, a private investigator Geragos has used is under investigation. Possibly marching toward indictment. Mark Geragos might likely find himself ensnared.
It's a mini Anthony Pellicano situation. Pellicano, L.A.'s one-time most famous private investigator, did wiretapping and anything else needed for clients, who included the movie colony's heavy-hitting lawyers like Bert Fields. He was deep inside cases that dealt with Stallone, Roseanne, Michael Jackson, Elizabeth Taylor. He's now in jail.
Six months ago Keith Carradine, claiming "malicious and illegal tactics" were used in his 1993 divorce case, sued Pellicano after learning he was among those whose phones were tapped. And who did actor Keith Carradine hire as attorney? Mark Geragos.
Posted by: Bank Vault | September 27, 2006 11:16 PM
Isn't it a bit late to be suing a PI for using illegal tactics in a 1993 divorce?
I'm just full of questions tonight, aren't I? LOL!
Posted by: MiataMama | September 27, 2006 11:17 PM
Some people hold grudges for a long time.
Posted by: Coffee Can | September 27, 2006 11:18 PM
Is this Geragos distancing himself from Pellicano? Why would he take the case against a PI with whom he had had dealings? I know, I know! Money.
Posted by: MiataMama | September 27, 2006 11:20 PM
Sure MiataMama. Did you think it was for all the glory and admiration he's recieved?
Posted by: UnderTheMattress | September 27, 2006 11:27 PM
Oh good. A foray into civil law. Wiretapping's getting some press lately. Jeanine Pirro held a news conference today on a related subject.
Posted by: Stanley Steamer | September 27, 2006 11:29 PM
Okei-dokei, I stand by my hon dah and say keep-mahseff in ordenations looking for the mah-hat-mah in your life. dew ya'll gittit? Therefore is the rub-or-knot as twere. Chips on a chingle, I thawt that eye went to baid a long timago.
the bibliography will be shakespeeed
Posted by: miatmahgorndee | September 28, 2006 12:15 AM
Hi, Miatmah!
How's the weather?
Posted by: MiataMama | September 28, 2006 12:18 AM
Legal eagles in Los Angeles are yapping louder than usual about the fate of celebrity attorney Mark Geragos following the arrest of his lead private investigator on bribery charges. Sources say the L.A. District Attorney's office is currently trying to determine the extent to which the famed barrister, who's represented everyone from Michael Jackson to Scott Peterson, was aware of Bradley Miller's attempts to bribe an alleged rape victim—the lead witness in a case against one of Geragos' clients, L.A. real-estate scion Alex Izuierdo.
Posted by: OldBenz | September 28, 2006 12:22 AM
That does not bode well.
Posted by: Coffee Can | September 28, 2006 12:33 AM
He is such a sl*t!
Posted by: MiataMama | September 28, 2006 01:09 AM
nytol on the voice of pbess singing her blonde brains out here. hondally ures moi
Posted by: miatmahgorndee | September 28, 2006 01:31 AM
Morning all!
I hope that ugly dunce gets nailed!
Posted by: Peugot | September 28, 2006 05:47 AM
Hmmmmm, looks like Hefty Heifer, et al still cannot see that they are still functioning on the level they have so loudly proclaimed they'd never sink to. Hehehehe, I'll say it again: Sux to be them.
Posted by: LunchBox | September 28, 2006 09:22 AM
Back in 90 min., so temporary Ciao lovelies!
Posted by: LunchBox | September 28, 2006 09:24 AM
Wonder what would happen if you pricked her with a pin?! Hmmm, could get messy.
Posted by: BusFare | September 28, 2006 09:40 AM
Heh, many reasons to "don the yellow ponchos"!
Posted by: LunchBox | September 28, 2006 11:23 AM
Good morning, everyone.
Good to *see* you again, LunchBox.
Posted by: S Car Go | September 28, 2006 11:28 AM
This is an interesting form of inmate administered justice.
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/9953747/detail.html
Posted by: S Car Go | September 28, 2006 11:45 AM
Time for me to head home. Have a good day, everybody.
Ciao!
Posted by: BusFare | September 28, 2006 11:50 AM
S Car Go, that was an interesting article up there on Stockelman.
What an appropriate punishment, to have his victim's name tattooed on his forehead.
Posted by: '67 Chevelle | September 28, 2006 02:12 PM
As far as the bribery charges for Geragos's lead private investigator; are we really surprised?
Posted by: '67 Chevelle | September 28, 2006 02:24 PM
Good morning!
It was dull and raining - now it is bright and sunny. We are possibly in for a good weekend.
Posted by: BusFare | September 29, 2006 04:24 AM
Sickening and disturbing recent news that the Psychos in Congress just voted in military tribunals and will probably sanction torturing in a grandfather clause next.
Here's what "waterboarding" looks like:
Apparently this was a favored tecnique by the Kmer Rouge - that nice bunch - to elicit confessions.
Election day is only a little over a month off. THROW THE BUMS OUT!
With a new congress we can change this mindless crusade.
Posted by: porche | September 29, 2006 07:52 AM
How do you stop the rot? Elliot Ness?
Posted by: BusFare | September 29, 2006 09:03 AM
That's what I get for bragging about the weather. Rain!
Posted by: BusFare | September 29, 2006 09:05 AM
My husband just bought "house brand" coffee.
Is that *grounds* for divorce?
Heh.
Posted by: MiataMama | September 29, 2006 10:20 AM
Not even your usual Folgers, MiataMama?
Maybe not grounds for divorce but I would definitely put him on rations.
Posted by: BusFare | September 29, 2006 10:29 AM
Actually, I don't even know how to spell Folgers! Heh
Posted by: BusFare | September 29, 2006 10:30 AM
You got it right! Folgers is barely coffee, as I have discovered since having the privilege of tasting a Misfit's home-roasted beans, and house brand is suitable for dying cloth.
When I was a poverty-stricken single mom, I gave up drinking coffee when that was all I could afford.
Yes...MiataMama was without coffee in her home for several years. She did drink a lot of tea, though.
Posted by: MiataMama | September 29, 2006 10:40 AM
One of the things I loved about living in Vancouver was the coffee. That bottomless cup!
The best coffee here, doesn't match up to the garden variety I had in Canada. Even the instant coffee was better.
Very frustrating but you get used to it.
Posted by: BusFare | September 29, 2006 11:08 AM
Have a good weekend, everybody!
Posted by: BusFare | September 29, 2006 11:42 AM
You, too, BusFare
Posted by: MiataMama | September 29, 2006 11:52 AM
Ooops. Another Republican (this one a "shoe in" for reelection in Florida") was caught flirting with a young male page.
One less incumbant to worry about.
Posted by: porche | September 29, 2006 05:18 PM
Is this a new trend?
Now the bums are throwing themselves out!
Posted by: '67 Chevelle | September 29, 2006 09:20 PM
Yes, and the irony is that he was the chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children!
Talk about the fox in the henhouse.
Lots more stories popping up about the explicit nature of the emails, mentioning sex acts, etc.
He should be treated just like all the other pedophiles who get outted on Dateline NBC.
This guy is an absolute disgrace and should be thrown in jail.
Posted by: porche | September 29, 2006 11:08 PM
See the results of this MSNBC poll on 9/11 conspiracy theories:
It was 61% last count of people who think that the US Government was involved.
Sixty One Percent!
Posted by: porche | September 29, 2006 11:34 PM
That's quite a change from the consensus a couple of years ago, when it was "unfashionable" to disbelieve what the government was telling us.
Hurray for the age of enlightenment.
Posted by: '67 Chevelle | September 29, 2006 11:51 PM
Good morning!
Some of you might be interested in Bob Woodward's new book.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15068379/
Posted by: Maserati | September 30, 2006 10:39 AM
More revelations in the Woodward book:
Posted by: porche | September 30, 2006 11:38 AM
From Maserati's link:
According to Woodward, Cheney relied on his wife, Lynne, and his daughter Liz for advice, and some close friends believed he "became increasingly removed from reality."
"became??"
Posted by: porche | September 30, 2006 11:48 AM
We are going to Hell in a handbasket!
Posted by: MiataMama | September 30, 2006 11:56 AM
The TOTAL Sell Out that is John McCain:
Throw him out, too.
Posted by: porche | September 30, 2006 01:54 PM
Yup. He's got to go.
God knows who will emerge in the next two years who might be a viable candidate, but I've seen no one yet.
Posted by: MiataMama | September 30, 2006 02:02 PM
Just one more reason (not that you needed any) to THROW THE BUMS OUT!
House leadership is now trying to cover-up the fact that they knowingly left a pedophile in office just so they could keep the R majority/votes.
Posted by: porche | September 30, 2006 02:25 PM
A list of Republicans charged with or suspected of pedophilia, updated to include the latest scandal involving Foley.
Posted by: porche | September 30, 2006 02:27 PM
In all fairness, I do wonder how long the list of Democrats would be.
The Republican list makes me ill.
Posted by: MiataMama | September 30, 2006 02:44 PM
I diagnose a big big big loss for the Republicans next month.
Think "15" - that's what the D's need to take back the House. Remember, vote out ALL incumbents.
Posted by: Dr. Kildare | September 30, 2006 02:48 PM
I'm voting for anyone not affiliated with any party. Neither party has my best interests at heart.
Posted by: Doc Holliday | September 30, 2006 03:11 PM
I lost all respect for McCain when he snuggled up to W after W/Rove smeared MC and his family during the 2K primary.
Posted by: DrKevorkian | September 30, 2006 08:51 PM
That link to the Republican list is sickening.
I wonder if someone, somewhere, does have a similar list on Democrats.
Politicians = evil!
Posted by: Ben Casey | September 30, 2006 10:43 PM
Dr. Giggles will vote her conscience. Assuming this country still HAS a collective conscience, the bums will fly out the door in record numbers.
Posted by: Dr. Giggles | October 1, 2006 01:10 PM
Dr. Hermann Einstein thinks that they are all cynical crooks.
Posted by: Dr. Hermann Einstein | October 1, 2006 01:28 PM
Crooks, liars and hypocrites.
Posted by: Dr. Demento | October 1, 2006 03:13 PM
So how do we get some non-politicians to get involved in politics?
Posted by: Dr. Who | October 1, 2006 04:24 PM
Dr. Who, I would imagine that'll be easier said than done.
I'd vote for Al Gore if he ran for President. I'm trying hard to think of a non-politician that I'd like to see in politics.
The Dalai Lama is out of the question, I suppose.
At least he could be counted on not to start a war just for the power trip. I doubt he'd approve of torture, either.
Posted by: Dr. Demento | October 1, 2006 06:32 PM
Well, there's always porn star Mary Carey. She's running for Governor of California.
Watch out, Ahhnold!
Posted by: Dr. Demento | October 1, 2006 06:59 PM
I nominate George Clooney.
Posted by: Dr. Seuss | October 1, 2006 07:52 PM
JetBlue Airways, Nickelodeon and non-profit First Books have teamed up to provide 50K books for poor kids in one of seven areas.
Please go to: http://www.firstbook.org/blue and vote for the San Francisco/Oakland area.
Posted by: Dr. Atomic | October 2, 2006 11:43 PM